GOOD LUCK MARATHONERS & ALL OTHERS RACING!!!! You've all worked hard & will have an awesome race day!
if I want to swim, cycle, both, or rest :P
Go, Eden!
forgot to pack gels and started to hate it over the last half an hour or so. And ohmigod my quads are sore.
a nice fall morning in Maine it is! Go team!
started out overcast and ended in the bright sunshine! I slept in too late to make eagle lake. So I ran the pigfarm road twice plus a mile. Good luck Ginger, Mark and Judson. And anybody else.
With Bob, Kevin & Doug ~ what a great fall morning to run! A little shorter than I had wanted, but the foot ruled today. It was a pretty fast run for me, though, and it felt good ~ hopefully next Sunday will feel as good!!!
Judson @ 25K 1:30:51 Judson @ 30K 1:50:44 (5:56 pace/2:35:45 projected finish)
Evan @ 25K 1:24:50 Evan @ 30K 1:42:52 (5:31 pace/2:24:41 projected finish)
GO JUDSON AND EVAN!
any news from Ginger?! sending energy her way too.
Evan @ 35K 2:01:49 (5:36 pace 2:26:50 projected finish) Judson @ 35K 2:11:03 (6:01 pace 2:37:45 projected finish)
At 11:15, according to the Tribune's weather page it's 79 degrees. :-(
Evan @ 40K 2:21:20 (5:41 pace 2:29 projected finish) Judson @ 40K 2:32:06 (6:07 pace 2:40:22 projected finish)
Practiced pacing; went well. Gorgeous out!
Go racers!!!
Evan finished in 2:29:42 5:42 pace. Great job. He finished a fantastic 14th overall.
Judson finished in 2:40:50. 58th overall. Great job Judson.
You two are amazing!
Especially in the heat!
Call me if you can (3099). I can find your number.
That must be the most brutal way to run a marathon, pounding the city pavement in the heat without even a breeze to cool you off. Go figure...last year our teeth were chattering. I am sorry I couldn't be there, but I was there in spirit, and I hope you heard me hollering at you on the course and that you felt the hugs at the finish.
Great job, guys!
we should hear something soon
I think she was set to call Suzanne when she finished ~ have you heard anything Suzanne? It looked like it was in the 60's at the start but was going to get hot ~ I'm sure she's celebrating!
Or Portland? Any word?
See above:
out and back, negative split. Kinda warm. Heading to Annapolis for the sail boat show.
Plus 4.5 miles from Friday, since they all count.
Perfect weather, cloudy, 50s, with a mild headwind going out and tailwind coming back.
PJ Gorneault won the Half, ~1:12, Adam was 3rd in about 1:14. Sheri Piers and Kristin Barry worked together to win and place just under 1:20. DT was second Master in 1:23. I won my age group but didn't quite get the time time I was after: 1:26:14. MarkW had a good race right around 1:30 I think.
In the marathon, a first timer set a new record, must have been right about 2:30. Jeff Ashby was second master in 2:49:45. First woman was from Massachusetts in 3:01. Don't have news yet about Michelle G or Amy N.
Great to get a cheer on the course from CGat, from Bob Gashlin, and from Barb and Lily who were wired by cell phone to the splits from Chicago.
Enjoy the age group win. It is great to have an update. I can't believe I am spending this beautiful day sitting in front of the computer, but I am. I wish I was at one of these races to cheer people on. Any and all updates are appreciated.
My sister is also running Chicago. She is through the 25K in about 2:35. Her goal was 4 hours. I know it is really hot out there. I am afraid 4+ hours in that sort of heat is really going beat her up. Go Laura!
:)
for Sheri? Holy Toledo...she and Kristin are amazing! Congrats on the age group win, Brian!
I think Joan benoit has the record.
Brian with the half, congrats on the age group win!
Heat, as you know, was nasty. But, to put it into perspective, even slowing down to his death march pace with some splits at 6:50, he advanced from 118th place at the half to 48th at the finish. Apparently only one of the huge pack of trials hopefuls made the qualifying time.
He's walking back to his hotel room and an ice bath now and says that, given the time he was out in the heat and the cramps, he feels like he ran back-to-back marathons.
Evan, he thinks, won money.
Ginger? Amy N? Michelle G?
Evan was the 5th runner from the USA to finish...unbelievable!
I admire both your effort and heart.
for Chicago. Awful--it happens sometimes, but no fun. Kudos to Judson and Evan for great efforts in the steambath.
Any Amy or Michelle sightings?
and then lots of cheering at the Towpath Marathon. It is warm here, too, and I didn't envy the runners out there.
(((hugs))) for all of you.
GINGER KING DON'T LEAVE US IN SUSPENSE!
and got no answer! Grrrrr!!!!
maybe she lost it???
we miss you Ginger
Now, if we could only hear from Ginger! And I wonder how Amy N did too!
I just got a call from her...it didn't go as well as she'd hoped, but she did finish. She'll post and/or call when she's ready...she said the pressure got to her a bit.
Ginger ~ I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU!!!! No matter what your time, you persevered and finished which says SO much!
We are all SO proud! YOU are my inspiration!
I am glad you are OK. You will will do it next time. Maybe I can start training with you again? You have inspired me to get out there again.
had perfect runs every day and met every one of our goals with every single race this would be one very dull club. The challenge is in setting goals and doing the work to pursue them, despite the fact that there are no guarantees.
Go Eden!
Here's to being a fun, free-spirited club!!!
Frank ~ I hope the rest of your walk went well!
It's touching to see all of the concerned posts. Things didn't work out as planned today, considering my time was off by 1 hr. 15 min. I somehow managed to finish, which is pretty cool, considering I was on my feet for 5 hrs. My spirits are up and I feel great. I'll BQ soon,today just wasn't the day.
Just heard from Amy, she ran 3:55. She's disappointed, but feeling better by the second. It was especially hard because her friends qualified.
Tim and I are heading to the Steamtown Mall to play. I have lot's more to say, so I'll be back:) Thanks Eden!
You're great :-) Sorry today wasn't the day, but as you say, it's coming soon. Hope you had fun at the mall.
where I ran 10 of the last 10.2 miles with Michelle G. Michelle had a solid race, went out fast and made it to the 16 mile mark in about 2:08. I'll let her post the details (if she likes), but she made it to the finish in 3:45:0X.
Perfect weather there today as others have reported.
Glad to hear that others finished despite less than ideal conditions elsewhere. I really am inspired by your attitude Ginger.
running today. I'm looking forward to hearing the stories of what went well today and what didn't. I learn from you all.
you can do all the workouts necessary to run a BQ time. It will all come together for you.
Congrats to Brian, Michelle G., Dave T., and Mark W. at Portland. Sounds like you all made the best of a good running day down there.
If the Olympic Trials folks had at large selctions to make, Judson and Evan would be the type of runners I would hope they would choose -ones who represent the best of this sport and who generously share their talents.
Finished up the Circle of Hope this morning with a nice walk/run (a la First Strides) on the Park Loop Road back to Bar Harbor.
is just too fast. Nice run today Brian.
Funny thing is I'm about 400m away from you at the moment -- at the wireless hotspot outside the Maine Grind. ...Still working my way back home.
Sorry I missed seeing you down there.
274 548 AMY NEWBERG 38 F 12/42 F3539 BAR HARBOR ME 3:55:51 9:00 3:53:59
inspired by what I saw today, i ventured out for a few more.
Maine Marathons results are HERE
i notice that Lou I. is on the list...way to go stealth Lou!
Another race off very sub-par training. I REALLY have to get a good training cycle sometime soon--this is getting tiresome.
I tried to run by feel instead of going for an arbitrary goal pace, and that seemed to work reasonably well. I hit the mile mark feeling smooth at 7:00 exactly and decided to stay at that effort level. But I only have one more mile split--I hit something on my HRM that made it start beeping like crazy, driving me (and I'm sure those around me) absolutely nuts. So after a 6:53 (?) second mile, I turned the timer off to kill the beeping and just had my HR readout. I hit 180 bpm during the third mile and spent the next several miles trying to bring it down (without much success), then I gave up and let it top 185 when I hit 10 miles. So the effort was there, if not the speed. And lo and behold, my final time was 1:31:35, exactly 7:00 pace! So I ran pretty even splits and probably got as much out of myself as I could today.
It was a gorgeous morning, and the VT friend I visited with for the weekend broke 3:00 for a full marathon for the first time, and I enjoyed sharing his happiness. I also had a nice, if brief, visit with Brian and enjoyed meeting DT. I'm afraid I didn't see or at least recognize other Edenites, but it's nice to know they were out there running hard.
Despite all the different levels of running, we all feel the pain, pride, successes, not-so-much successes of all our members ~ and the support is unbelievable!
I belong to 4 running clubs and this is the one I'm most proud of ~ no matter what level of running each of you is at, you're always willing to take time to help out your fellow Edenites rather it be with a workout, support, a kind word, a hug...it's so refreshing to be involved with people who don't have an "elitist runner" attitude!
Well, I just wrote a 3 page essay about Steamtown and I lost it. It's really not my day, the mall was small too.
my phone call made you lose the essay you should have let it go to voice mail!!!!
Have you talked with your sister? She did awesome for her first marathon ~ especially considering the conditions! She should be VERY proud of herself!
"If you cannot win the race, make the one ahead of you break the record."
I posted that quote because I think that's what you/we all do - whether you're winning the race (meeting your personal goal) or not, it inspires EVERYONE to run harder to keep up, or run harder to stay ahead.Or, in my case, stay even with my running partner!I'm not a racer, but my vision of the racers today is they were in the pack contributing to the blood, sweat, tears, toil, and sheer endurance - the collective willingness to push to the limit and then some more after that.A loss of an individual's personal goals is a bummer, but in my mind, your contributions to the events and how you inspired people there, your families and friends, your fellow Edenistas...counts for every bit as much.Eeesh, hope this doesn't sound preachy, I just feel proud of you all from a distance.To think I know three people who ran a marathon today...wow!This must be how a "personal assistant" to a celebrity feels.Ginger, can I fill your water bottle (wine glass).....
hydrating and celebratory. And you should do both, hydrate and celebrate. Nice work out there to you and all others. If you get your goals every time it indicates that you're not really reaching. And, it makes those victories that much sweeter and rewarding, like DT's zooming half. That time must sound twice as good to you since you spent a heck of a lot of time on a bike this winter to keep on track to get it.
5+ on roads, and darkness fell like a brick in the middle of it. Just gave me a little more incentive to pick it up on the way home.
You are right the bike did help enhance or at least maintain turnover while I was recovering from knee surgery along with hanging in there ups and downs.
I'm filling my Camelback with wine for the next marathon. I should feel more relaxed that way. You and I should get a few practice sessions in beforehand.
Nice work everyone in the races. Brian ran well and Ginger roughed it out making what I did not so impressive.
I know I should be dissappointed, but honestly I'm not. I know I'm in shape to run way better and ran as well as I possible could in those conditions. By 1.5 miles I was already gritting my teeth to stay with the 2:22 pack and by 5-k I was off the pack and put my head down to stay on pace through 4 miles. I'd never had to death march 22+ miles before and at 4-miles I was still aware enough that I could simply stop and run another marathon next week and aware that 22 miles in those conditions was going to test who I was. I death marched the last 10 miles at Boston in 2005 and the weather was hot, but not like today. So 22+ miles scared the crap out of me, that's a long way to struggle especially since I'd already struggled from miles 1-4. I basically dropped right down to 5:50's and told myself I had to stay there through halfway. I did and that took pretty much all I could muster. Next i think I ran about 6:20 pace for a while and slowly worked my way down to high 6 Minute pace, mabye some 7's. Still, at halfway a guy was counting and said something around 114th. After halfway I don't remember more than a couple people passing me, but I was catching tons of runners. Even passed a guy who had completely cramped up with 300 meters to go. I think I drank more water and gatorade than all my previous 9 marathons combined. I at least took more which I used to throw on myself. Probably 4-5 cups per waterstop. Of course now I feel bad since I guess the aidstations soon ran out of water. Somewhere around mile 22 someone put a burger king crown on my head and I ran to the finish with that on. What can I say, it held the ice on my head well, was lightweight, I was too tired to take it off and the crowd went insane over it calling me Mr. Burger King which motivated me to run faster. Wait until you see the pictures. My forearms are so sore from grabbing so much fluids and sponges. Sqeezing the water out from those spunges really tasks the forearms.
There were 155 guys in the top 100 program. Probably 20-50 of them had a real shot at getting the trials standard of 2:22 with another 30-50 of them trying but not realistically. Out of all those guys who tried one guy got under 2:22 and qualified. Evan ran awesome and was 5th American in 2:29:42. He is a heck of a heat runner and that was amazing to see him run that well in that weather today.
Anyways, I've started 10 marathons, finished 10. It may not have been the time I wanted, but in those conditions I think I did my best. I know I can get it, I just have to wait until 2012 and as Rocky says, it's how much you can take and keep moving forward.
Plus I think I tested myself fairly well today and decided afterwards I would never start the badwater ultra 135 miler because I think I would die trying to finish.
PS, probably another marathon this year, but I'm not telling which one. But for now, rest and I'm going to go to my happy place.
so does this count for qualifier?It doesn't seem right.Congrats at any rate for hanging in with a finish time that most can only contemplate regardless of conditions.
I'll qualiify for the 2012 trials. I'm only 29 and my great uncle ran 2:23 at Boston when he was 39 so I'd say I've got plenty of time.
But whether or not I ever start another marathon in conditions like that unless I'm simply running for place is another question. Running marathons cannot be super healthy for the body in the first place. Running many in hot conditions has to take more out of a runners ability to run well longer in life.
The big questions I really want answered are, if the conditions suck is it ok to drop out before any or too much damage is done and simply run a different marathon a week or so later in better conditions. Does finishing the marathon in those conditions make you tougher or does it hinder you by making you now have to recover for a month or more and then retrain for another marathon when by dropping out you simply could run another marathon a week later. Basically everyone here thinks I should have stopped and simply tried again soon, but I've never not finished a race. So is my stubborn attitude preventing me from running better? If I had stopped at mile 4 and tried next week at another marathon I would still be in super shape and could possibly run very well. Does not finishing make you weaker? I've heard that not finishing makes it easier to quit the next time. Is that true? Maybe the trick is not to start if the conditions suck. Since training for a marathon and getting to the start is hard enough as it is,, doesn't it make since to drop out and run the next week since the training is done and you simply have to try not to get sick instead of taking a bunch of weeks off and then starting the training all over again hoping you don't get sick or injuried and can make the next marathon healthy and it shape.
on and on I could go. Give me some answers.
Even though I wonder about those things I will never drop out.
I ran my 2nd track 10K my junior year of college. Having been injured for about 2 weeks, I still went to the race (out of peer pressure, wanting to be on the conference team, etc), only to drop off after running a 95 second quarter in the third mile. I had some problems dropping out of other races the next few years and since have always had pretty bad experiences in 10K's. My 5K pr doesn't really add up to my 10K, 15:44 vs. 33:50. To give you a quick answer, and probably the one you want, dropping out of one race (or starting a race I shouldn't have)clearly resulted in allowing myself to quit more in the future.
Anyway, I still think it sounds like you ran a very smart race.
finishing the marathon.If you had doubt then not doing it at all would have been the way to go.I'm no where near your speed but like you I've never had a dnf in around 100 races since 2003.I think it does make you tougher to stick out a race when you feel like crap.It's easy to excel when it's 55 and dry but racing in hell like heat and finishing in 2:40 says a lot about your toughness.Too bad you don't have enough recovery time before trials to try again but like you said you are young so time is on your side.Good luck getting ready for 2012.
stab at Judson's questions. Like Christine's question on Monday, which Chris Gatchell and Alyie answered so eloquently, it's a good post and promotes healthy discussion.
Here are my answers: Short and sweet. Question number 1. Of course it is! If someone second guesses you, tell them to take a hike! 2. Only you know the answer. Everyone's different. From where I sit, I can't imagine your performance in Chicago affecting your future races. Put it in a box, shove it in the corner of the attic and forget about it. Onward and upward as they say. 3. Possibly, but highly unlikely. 4. Absolutely not. 5. For some people it may be true, but I doubt if not finishing a race would affect you. 6. (It's already been covered.)
I'd like you to post your weekly mileage totals for the prior 50 weeks leading up to Chicago.
You will make it. I bet most of us would agree here, you've past the trials and already won the gold medal. The #1 reason why I finished Steamtown, was remembering you saying the only way you wouldn't finish a race is if you passed out or died. If you're not too proud to finish a bad race then I'm not either. PS. you ran a great race in Chicago, it was the weather that was bad.
I know I say the same thing about finishing, but that's because I'm an average runner.
You had a very specific goal running Chicago ~ to qualify for the Olympic Trials. Under the circumstances, pulling out when you knew it wasn't going to happen so you could try again the next week isn't a typical "dnf" and I don't think should be bulked in with other "dnfs". Through the history of running you'll find "professional" runners who have pulled out of marathons because they knew it wasn't right...It wasn't the day they'd meet the goals they set, so they wanted to preserve themselves so they could try again quickly.
Untimately, each decision and each race is separate from all others ~ you make the decision that's right for you at the time. There is no right or wrong, but never doubt the decision you made for yourself.
You ran an awesome race!!!
I am just about left speechless. You are amazing, among so many other wonderful things. And I am just sitting here grinning ear to ear, thinking about that Burger King crown. You are the King, alright! Awesome work!
nice running weather cloudy,low-50's,nice breeze.After race I was talking to a friend and I looked across road and thought wow,that guy looks just like Brian Hubbell.And low and behold it was Brian.Nice meeting Mark as well.Great race Brian and congrats to JC,Evan,Ginger today in tough running conditions.
Congrats on yet another PR, Dave! All that careful rehab has plainly made you better than ever.
And here's a reminder for all of you always to email me your new PRs for the Members records page
If you are ever in Portland for a race and need a place to stay feel free to call 772-4948.
Keep the PR's going.
Dave! Way to go Michelle G. with a solid BQ performance in Portand! Well done on a strong, first marathon.
a 5k in that heat would be dreadful let alone a full marathon.Awesome that you were able to complete the 26.2 miles.I'm sure hundreds completely ate it and dnf.
Actually it wasn't that hot in PA. Sun. morning. I heard a few runners complaining about the heat around mile 20 race, but I was walking at that point and felt as cool as a cucumber. My legs hurt, but body temp. was fantastic. Thanks, though:)
Just proud of you all giving it your best today. Good work and thanks for sharing the experiences - we all benefit in the process. Eden is indeed a great team and pegs the meter for Inspiration.
I sure enjoyed the run with Julie, Doug, & Kev. this a.m. & slipped in a couple more afterwards (10m total Alyie) on a beautiful Fall morning. Good to see Karen feeling good again & Megan out there with her too. Congratulations on finishing another Circle of Hope Frank. Hope your Achilles doesn't make you pay too much for the portion today.
Life is good in the woods.
111 miles from not-racing Edenistas
26.2 x Ginger, Judson, Evan, Lou, Michelle G, Sara's sister, Amy N, Jeff A = 187.4 miles
13.1 x Brian, Dave T, Mark W, Adam G, and Buff's relay = 65.5 miles
Finishing the Circle of Hope x Frank = a couple of miles
111 + 187.4 + 65.5 + a couple more miles = 370 miles for the day.
***if I forgot anyone, let me know and I'll add your name in.
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